What does the U.S. Constitution tell us about Prop 8 in CA?

In brief, the question I am asking is this: If we strictly interpret the U.S. constitution, shouldn’t we allow equal rights for same sex couples? See below ->

A while ago I posted about the phrase “separation of the Church and state” basically reminding folks that specific phrase is not in the constitution itself, it’s in a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptists in 1802. The U.S. constitution specifically reads Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Most of the community who support proposition 8 do so because of religious beliefs. If proposition 8 was written to respect an establishment of religion, doesn’t that make it unconstitutional? Remember “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…” In other words, doesn’t Amendment I of the United States Constitution indicate that Proposition 8 cannot be passed?

If I was running for office, this would be my position:

The government’s role in all legal unions between two people should be a consistent process regardless. The process, documents, and rights obtained should be identical. There should no longer be civil unions and marriages -both should share the same name, processes, and rights (on legal documents). As we learned in the Civil Rights movement, there is no such thing as separate but equal.

As far as the religious ceremony, that decision is up to the religious organization per the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Therefore the government should not protect “marriage” as it is religiously defined and is not obligated (nor does it have the power to) preserve it’s sanctity. It should be up to the religious organization if they perform whatever ceremonies they desire – the government should not interfere with religion. Some religious organizations will decide to perform same sex marriages and that is up to them. Others will decide not to perform same sex marriages – that is also up to them. While religious organizations are not forbidden from providing same sex marriages, they should not be required to perform same sex marriages as that is a violation of their first amendment rights.

With this approach, atheists do not have to be “married” either. Legal unions become a two part process. The government protects the equal rights of it’s citizens. Not separate but equal – everything exactly the same. THEN the type of ceremony the couple wishes to have is up to them. Perhaps atheists will just want to have a party. Perhaps they will want a ceremony that is just like a traditional marriage but without a Pastor/Minister up front. This ceremony (which by the way would be optional) can be called absolutely anything (marriage, joining, grabblesnarfinny, etc).

…and this is my thinking:

I believe that the reason “gay marriage” is such a hot button issue is because the word “marriage” is so religiously charged. Typically, marriages are religious ceremonies typically performed by a spiritual authority. However, the benefits that a marriage enjoy are not religious at all – they are tied to the government. From a political prospective, there should be nothing religious about “marriage” at all. To an extent that is true today – people from all religions (as well as atheists) are welcome to engage in “marriage.”

“Marriage” is in quotes because it can mean different things to different religions/people groups. In that case, the word is too small to encompass the variety of things that marriage means. The government’s shouldn’t use religious words to define civic/legal situations – it confuses the citizens.

The opposition to gay marriage say there is a need to preserve the sanctity of marriage. From a strictly political prospective (not a religious prospective) this claim does not seem relevant. I live near Los Angeles where you can rent wedding rings and have a van drive to your house for a quick and easy divorce. From this prospective, I struggle to believe that same sex arrangements pose more of a threat than opposite sex arrangements to marriage in America today. More and more studies show that children are most successful in homes where there are two parents – many of these studies also indicate that it does not matter if it is a man and a woman, two men, or two women. (for an example, click here). The republic is not going to collapse if same sex marriages are allowed – I have yet to see anyone take that position. Again, opposition to same sex arrangements is not political – it’s religious/personal. Making decisions from those standpoints violates the freedoms that our constitution is supposed to be protecting.

I’m interested in comments on this post – please let me know what you think.

What say you?

related links:
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/S147999.PDF

8 comments so far

  1. brandon on

    I’m not sure that it’s strictly a violation of the Constitution. The 1st Amendment is not referring to religious beliefs influencing laws. It is referring to establishing an official state religion.

    If it were referring to religious beliefs influencing laws, then no Christian should be Constitutionally allowed to hold office because Christians are to bring every thought captive to Christ (2 Cor 10). Everything that we do and think is to be informed by our religious beliefs.

    I believe the government should protect private property rights because the 8th Commandment says you shall not steal. Does that mean supporting a law against theft is a violation of the 1st Amendment?

    The marriage issue is sticky. I believe it would best be solved by getting the state out of marriage. I’m not convinced that there is any reason for it to be involved.

    One of the potential problems is the issue of forcing people to recognize and honor a homosexual marriage. I believe in a free society, people should be free to either recognize or reject a homosexual couple whom the state has declared “married.” For example, if an orphanage doesn’t want a homosexual couple to adopt a child from their orphanage, will they be forced to do so by the state?

    Here are a couple of things to check out

    Interview with John Eastman (Chapman Law School)
    http://almohler.com/blog_read.php?id=1151

    Interview with a Pastor in San Francisco sued for firing a homosexual organist
    http://sharpens.blogspot.com/2008/05/chuck-mcilhenny-same-sex-marriage.html

  2. John on

    What if the orphanage did not want a black person adopting a white baby?
    Also the bible clearly recognizes slavery. Should we legislate slavery again?
    At what point do people stop hiding behind bigotry? IF people do not like the thought of a black man marrying a white woman should we force them to aknowledge it?

  3. John on

    You can’t force people to like anything. But it is unAmerican to withhold a persons right to marry just because it makes another person uncomfortable.

  4. Abby on

    Thanks for the blog. Same-sex mar-riage proponents have been duped…they think they are fighting for equality or love but that is not true and here’s why…
    It seems that prop. 8 isn’t really about love.
    Prop. 8 is about freedom for ALL Americans.
    If prop. 8 fails it will hurt the freedom of you, me, AND same-sex couples.
    Yes! Prop. 8 is a vote for freedom. There is a better way we can all live together in peace.
    Check it out for yourself instead of opinions we need more facts: http://www.ifprop8fails.com, http://www.preservingmarriage.com, and http://www.protectmarriage.com

  5. davidmay on

    Thanks for the comments. John, I’m not sure you read my blog. My position achieves equality for everyone (not even separate but equal… just equality). If you disagree please provide me specific examples where you think I am wrong. I think we’re both fighting for the same thing here. Also, if a black man does not want to marry a white woman, that’s up to them. I don’t care if they declare it or not. Frankly it’s none of my business. Similarly, some people like blonds better than brunettes. Some men like men better than women. As far as marriage is concerned, I’m really only worried about mine. What we are really talking about here is freedom. Get the government away from the word marriage. Abby, I’m also not sure you actually read my blog…

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  7. Sarah Sattel on

    Am I too late to relpy to this? Sorry, but it’s an on going issue in America and frankly it’s making me mad when it comes to the holidays!! I have lived my profession and life w/out judging bc that is how the Lord lived his live, we should lead by his example. I feel like the constitution is being translated in a way that benefits each person’s personal cause. The thing that bothers me the most is; why is God&(Jesus,whatever you believe or don’t) being taken out of our school’s, court rooms, trying to remove the word GOD from our money? etc., bc of this whole fight between state and religion? Don’t hate God bc of any of this! He was never about religion or judging in the 1st place! I would hope that we have more important issues at hand than gay marriage.


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